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SNT 0351 Romans 8:1ff

Romans 8:1ff

August 30, 1964

Expository teaching with emphasis on ‘nothing shall separate us…’.
SNT – 351

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Topic: q&a, DRAFT, expository, God, spirit, Christ, dead, senses, walk, Christian, lord, law, condemnation, renewed mind, Rom 8:1
Format: audio
Publication Date: 08-30-1964

Victor Paul Wierwille was a Bible scholar and teacher for over four decades.

By means of Dr. Wierwille's dynamic teaching of the accuracy and integrity of God's Word, foundational class and advanced class graduates of Power for Abundant Living have learned that the one great requirement for every student of the Bible is to rightly divide the Word of Truth. Thus, his presentation of the Word of God was designed for students who desire the in-depth-accuracy of God’s Word.

In his many years of research, Dr. Wierwille studied with such men as Karl Barth, E. Stanley Jones, Glenn Clark, Bishop K.C. Pillai, and George M. Lamsa. His formal training included Bachelor of Arts and Bachelor of Theology degrees from Mission House (Lakeland) College and Seminary. He studied at the University of Chicago and at Princeton Theological Seminary from which he received a Master of Theology degree in Practical Theology. Later he completed his work for the Doctor of Theology degree.

Dr. Wierwille taught the first class on Power for Abundant Living in 1953.

Books by Dr. Wierwille include: Are the Dead Alive Now? published in 1971; Receiving the Holy Spirit Today published in 1972; five volumes of Studies in Abundant Living— The Bible Tells Me So (1971), The New, Dynamic Church (1971), The Word's Way (1971), God's Magnified Word (1977), Order My Steps in Thy Word (1985); Jesus Christ Is Not God (1975); Jesus Christ Our Passover (1980); and Jesus Christ Our Promised Seed (1982).

Dr. Wierwille researched God's Word, taught, wrote, and traveled worldwide, holding forth the accuracy of God's "wonderful, matchless" Word.

Rom 8:1-8

Rom 8:8-13

Rom 8:13-28

Rom 8:29-39; Questions and answers




Snt-0351-Romans81ff DRAFT

SUMMARY KEYWORDS: God, spirit, Christ, dead, senses, walk, Christian, lord, law, condemnation, renewed mind

Romans chapter eight is perhaps the greatest chapter written to the Christian in the entire Bible as far as the teaching of the practical side of the Word of God. In Romans chapter eight, verse one, there is therefore now no condemnation, no condemnation to them which are were in great deeds. Those who are in Christ Jesus Christ in you is eternal life. You in Christ is the walk, the renewed mind. Understand this verse, they use this verse all the time for an evangelistic sermon. Has nothing to do with salvation at all. Has nothing to do with salvation has everything to do with the person after he is saved. Christ in you is what? Salvation, Christ in you is salvation, right? But you in Christ is something else. You in Christ is your walk your fellowship with Him. Now, there is no condemnation, no condemnation in your mind, in your life, you're no longer condemned, if you are aware. In Him, if you have renewed your mind in him, you're no longer condemned. Otherwise, if you try to walk the Christian life, you're going to be condemned your whole life. But when you renew your mind, and you get in him, you're no longer condemned this what this word talks about the walk not after the Spirit, after the flesh, but after the Spirit. These latter words, who walked not after the place, but after the Spirit are omitted in the Aramaic text. For the law, the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin, and what and the law of sin and death is the law of the ordinances, the law that commandments, right. This is the law of sin and death. That's right. And it says very plainly in that verse, that the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me one free, free from what the Lord says that I'm no longer under the law of sin and death, I'm under something much more wonderful, the love and the power of the Lord Jesus Christ, right. That's what the words talking about, For what the law verse three could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, weak because of the census, God sending His own Son, in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the census are in the place. Understand that now wonderful. Remember the night few weeks ago, or whatever it was, when I've taught you why Jesus Christ was our Savior? The more I think about that, that was a terrific night, you know that? I've thought about it 100 times. And every time I think about it, I don't recall who was here, I don't even recall was it during the advanced class or some was it on a Sunday night? Doesn't understand their week. And I've thought about that 100 times, because I've talked way beyond my sense, knowledge, ability. I, and it was so terrific, because the greatness is here in this verse again, what the law could not do, in that it was weak for the God sending His own Son in the likeness of what there is, then, as far as Jesus was concerned, he was just as fleshly as you are right for Zion. He was in our sinful flesh. Yet he was without love. Amen. And had he not been perfect man, he could never have redeemed mankind. That's why when the question comes up, could Jesus have sin? Could he have sin? The answer is, Yes. Then why? That's right. he renewed his mind. And he walked in the light, as God is the light and always did the Father's will. He has a he has a prerogative, he could have disobeyed God, just the same as you can disobey Him or I can. But the thing is, he didn't have therefore he became your Lord and Savior in mind that wonderful trip look very bold, that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us. Here again, it's omitted the tail end is omitted, after according to make Tech's who walked not after the place, but after the Spirit. I understand that you leave it right in there and it fits perfectly as far as I'm concerned understand it, because the righteous as a law might be fulfilling us who walked not according to our senses, the information we gather via the five senses, but who walked according to the information we gather Heil, via the spirit, which we gather, first of all, from his reveal word, and secondly, by direct revelation, wherever it's been Do for the very five that are after the flesh.


If they're saved, you know BORN AGAIN of God's Spirit, if they're after the place or they go by their five senses, they are obedient, do mind obedient to the things. Otherwise, they'll play Sure, but they that are after or according to the Spirit. They will mind that things about. Therefore when a person is born again, can he walk by a sentence just as easily then as he did before, definitely. On the other hand, Kenny then also walked by the Spirit. When he walks by the Spirit, he'll walk like this in alignment harmony. When he walked by a sentence He'll be out my feet. So what happens we renew our mind put on the mind of Christ here via the spirits and then via by way of our five senses, we make our census tract align with what we have received up here by is that some verses For to be carnally minded. To be carnally minded is to be sense knowledge minded to go by the information gathered via the five senses is depth, but to be spiritually minded, is life and peace, life and peace. And other translation of verse six reads as follows literally, for the mind of the flesh is dead. But the mind of the Spirit is life and peace. versa. Because the carnal mind, the carnal mind is enmity against God. Anything man learns by his five senses, if it comes to spiritual things, God says, this type of carnal mind is what? And therefore the most brilliant mind in the world, as far as God is concerned, is still enmity against God. This is why the more brilliant the mind, the less they really understand the things of God, if it's just brilliant mind. That's why you many times heard people say, well, that follows real stupid. But he sure loves the Lord ever heard that? But over here is somebody who is the brains of the community. He doesn't love the Lord at all. The explanation is exactly or this verse four, it's not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be what? So then verse eight, they that are in the place, who walked by their five senses without the Spirit, they cannot walk. And it doesn't make any difference how hard to try. No matter how hard they try, they just cannot please go. It doesn't please God to set a candle here. That doesn't please God one bit. Or to turn this cross around that way that doesn't please God bring the bouquets that doesn't please go. Right? Because you can't please God that way. And yet, sometimes you heard out people get all upset because certain things just aren't apropos the way they think they ought to be. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. They that are in the flesh cannot please God via the five senses. You cannot please God. Well, then why try so hard? I don't try hard to please God. You know why I put these things here and why I love to see my dogs seeing the rest of the people put these things here and why I like to see you bring your roses. Not because we're pleasing God but because it pleases you. And I love you. And I like for you to like me. And I like for everybody to enjoy the place. It doesn't please God we have robbed on the floor here. We could use cow dung what they use in India, I used to teach the Word of God. We used to sit together as a family on plain old cow dung. And I tell you it's the cleanest floor ever sat on. It's hard to as no odor. And it's really an immaculate floor and I'm not pulling your leg breeze speaking. I'm not they would do their sidewalls make them out of cow dung on the inside. And then their floor and they just shown as pretty as your house Mrs. Dorsen they were just as clean as your house.


Right? How to get on this this? What are we doing? Pipe all pleasing God That's right. We don't put the rug in here because we're trying to please God. But you know why? because this makes our people happy, and it makes it comfortable for them and nice for them, then you can get the word. The words, the big thing here. As far as I'm concerned, if it's a matter of doing without the railgun sit non power guns alright with me as long as we get the word, that's what I was after. Not a matter of pleasing God, we have such a wonderful organ piano and the teaching platform. I don't look upon this as pleasing to God, but it pleases me. It helps me to teach it. And I don't like things when I mess up. I think most people know that. I just, I just don't work well. I think one of the hardest things I had to learn within TV, because there are so slipshod about TV on there, when we used to go, they put the desktop and it was dirty, that dust on it. I just can't stand it. So I'd wipe it off. First couple of weeks wasn't bad, it didn't have many scratches on it. And it was just a new one, you know. And then pretty soon I've got a scratch here and got a scratch there. And one Tuesday, we came in at a big old gouge in it. It made me feel so bad, I couldn't hardly teach. And then I got to thinking, I got to thinking about the fact that's BP that was a surprise to me. So I said to myself, I don't give a hoot if they scratch the whole joint up. If this was over at my place, I'd never stand for it. I'd fire the birds that were responsible for scratching it or something. But if they want to scratch them scratch when my time comes to teach us ever get around to it, I'll teach because you can't please God by the materials i i People say they take an offering for the Lord who they can't take an offering for the Lord. He doesn't have any need for that stuff up there. We need it down here. Right? Look at to disburse the money received. This is for you. They she did not have them. There you better have all your bills. In this study how we get into these community environments, this is the kind of vocabulary we've developed. And honestly, you finally get around the place that you really think you're doing this for the Lord. We're not doing these things basically for the Lord because man cannot please God by what he does sense knowledge wise. God can only be worshipped in spirit and in watts. For that word we go the museum. How many of you live in the area have never been there? Hold up your hand. Yeah, you're just like we were, you know, we run to Canada to look at places and go to Florida and look at places here we got something real wonderful, right within stone's throw, and we had never been. And we went over there. And I tell you I was real blessed. It really blessed my soul to be able to go through and see and a lot of things that entered into our hearts and minds regarding these these things that our people have done in America and across the nation. It's a tremendous thing, how they've developed a lot of this stuff and is wonderful. Another place we went with down here, the Ohio Calvary all updates over the rear wheels all were and what we all did is went down the Ohio caverns ever been there. I've been in a lot of caverns. And we had heard negatively that the Ohio caverns weren't worth seeing what they said they weren't nice. I want to tell you something, are the most beautiful caverns that I have ever seen. They're not as massive. They're not as big. They're not as colossal. But I have never seen anything more beautiful. In in any cavern. Any place in our nation or abroad. As I saw down your aisle this week.


Well, brings up on the history of law. You see? Well, it says verse nine, we're not in the place but in the spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God does what? Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is still his. This is the commonly accepted principle all over our nation today. That is not primarily whether you believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, God raised Him from the dead. But are you joined with us in our ecumenical mood? Are you concerned about the welfare of the total church building and environment in our community? Are you interested in the ethics and the morality which we would like to assembly? If so, you're ahead of the right way you're working for the right cause you'll make that's not what the words and and ladies and gentlemen if everybody He's going to make it without the Lord Jesus Christ, then Christ died, invade. And why should God have set the things from the foundation of the world, that Jesus Christ could be born to the Virgin Mary? Why? It all be a bunch of baloney? This is why I believe literally what the Word says. That if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is absolutely what not is, and he is not my brother. Because to be my brother, he's got to have the same daddy, the same father. And when God is your Father, God is my Father than we are brothers and sisters in the Lord. Otherwise we're not. Right. And if Christ be in you, If Christ is in the body, the body, what body, though one you are housed in sitting there, the body is dead, the body is dead, the nature of the body has death written in it. Death is written into the nature of every body, whether it's Christian or not Christian, the cause of sin. But that spirit which is in that body of yours, and mine, is life, on account of because of our righteousness, whose righteousness mine is right, not my righteousness, not yours, but if his righteousness, his righteous, but the word and if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from among the dead, this word among should be after the word from, from among the dead, while in you, he that raised up Christ from among the dead, shall also what? quicken your mortal bodies also by His Spirit, and on account of that, which dwelleth in you is the text at wonderful, I better reaches that verse again because some of you didn't have your pencils. versus 11. And if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from among the dead, dwelling you, he that raised up Christ from among the dead, jello so quick, you know what Quicken me next alive, your mortal body also, by His Spirit, on account of that he dwelleth in you, wonderful. quicken your mortal body. We have death written into these bodies, right. And yet the Word says that because we have him, he is going to quickly make a live, Doc mortal body. Therefore, brother, we are definitely not to the place to live after the place. Or if you live after the place according to the census, you show up. But if he true, or by spirit, do mortify the deeds of the body, he shall live. This section here deeds of the body, mortify the deeds of the body. And think of the translation the name of it, but he translates it put, putting to death by reckoning.


putting to death by reckoning, you don't put the body you don't put the deeds of the body to death. You just put them to death by reckoning them dead. I will tell you something, they're not gonna be dead. You just recommend it. This is why you just reckon them did understand. The moment they show up their ugly head, you reckon them dead, they're not going to be dead. They're going to keep bouncing up, but you reckon them as dead? were as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are one or G have not received a bondage spirit is the text again, unto fear, but you have received a sonship spirit whereby we cry, Abba, Father. And is this sonship spirits which itself bears witness with our spirit, the spirit that we are the children of who God, it's the spirit, bearing witness with our spirit. That we are the children of God. It is God's Spirit in you. When you speak in tongues, which is the only external manifestation you have of the internal reality and presence of His Holy Spirit, contact.


This manifestation, this evidence is the Spirit bearing witness with your spirit with you is third bearing witness with you that you are a watch, Son of God, a child of God, without that witness. Without that witness, you will have no evidence in the census world that you are a senator. You know why? Because you can quit when you get saved, and that doesn't prove you're Christian at all because somebody else might quit eating cookies when saved adult or you can give up your chew on tobacco. Girls come up and give up snap. I know some women choose snap when they choose a dozen cutting ice with guarding snapper that. Well, that won't give any proof your Christian you can quit eating meat on Saturday or Friday. He fish on Fridays and you're Christian? Oh, no proof. It's something it's a Spirit that beareth witness with our spirit that we are children are sons of God. And if children if we're children, if we're children, and what proof do you have that your child, your Spirit bearing witness with your spirit? That's the proof. This is why speaking in tongues is the greatest thing you've got. Not only to give you a knowledge that you're a child of God, but to keep building up on the inside is what the Word says. Now you say to be I can't feel it. Why? Sure you can feel it. If you could feel it, it wouldn't be spirit. Then how do I know it's happening? They call because first of all, the word says so. And secondly, I have the manifestation and evidence that the word talks about therefore it has to have your stamp. And if we're children, then we have the proof that we are walk heirs heirs of God and we are joint heirs with who a man is not something. There's our proof. The moment you hear someone speaking tongues, you have the proof in the census world that they're a joint heir with Christ, and a joint heirs, one who shares and shares a lot. You see why we can get together and have believers meeting and get a little happy about situation. We don't have to be long face and all this other stuff. Because if you're a Christian and you know it, you've got something, you're a joint heir with Christ, you're sharing chair, like he said, the works that I do, you shall do awesome. greater works than I've done. You should. Okay. So you either have to say he's a liar. Or you have to say you told the truth and get to work. Right. And I've never discouraged regarding failure, you know that some people get off or discouraged if they fail. Well, if you could be 51% of the time, if you could be correct, 51% of the time, you can make a million on the stock market. Therefore, I'm pretty sure that most of you have failed. And why get discouraged if you fail 51% of the times or 49. I'm not discouraged about the discouragement of failure. You know what, what what I'm thankful for is the great successes. We're sure when this person gets delivered, when this person gets healed, when this person gets saved when this person gets filled with all that I'm thankful for maybe 10,000 in the community, never get healed, never get saved. Never speak in tongues. Don't discourage me, and I'm thankful for those that do. I'll tell you something 20 years ago, we weren't getting them to do it. Today we are why I'm thankful. That's why you're thankful if God would just deliver us once at the once more than we got delivered if we didn't have that something. Well, I think that's terrific. All right, I reckon that the suffering of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be one for the honest expectation The earnest expectation of the creatures wait for the manifestation of the sons of God. And this first, by the way, relates itself to the return of Christ. Or the highest expectation of every Born Again Christian believer is for the manifestation of the sons of God, the manifestation when they return when the return of Christ is imminent.


You know, this doesn't mean very much to young people in a lie ominous couple more years is very sweet a lot. Because some of you young people in here tonight have never lost a dear one.


You don't know what it is to lose a mother or a father or a brother or a sister. Some of the rest of our people here have experienced, real body, dead and gone. The only way we'll ever get to see them is if the Word of God is true and Christ returns and the dead in Christ get the only way. This is why the earnest expectation of the creature is for the revelation or the resurrection or the coming forth, the manifestation of the sons of God. Or the creature was made subjected to vanity not willingly, but by reason of him was subjected the same and hope. For the Creator itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption in the glorious liberty of the children of one. Right, where we know that the whole creation, grown us and travaillent in pain together until now. And not only they but ourselves also, which have the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the redemption. The adoption, which is the redemption of our flock, this is what we're talking about in tongues. It's the redemption of our body, at a wonderful thing. Well, are we are saved by hope but hope that is seen is not hope a lot of man's DFW had hoped for. But if we hope for that we see not then do we would patients wait for it? Likewise, the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities for we no not what we should pray for as we ought, but the spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be what? Potter, verse 27. And he that searches the hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because He maketh intercession for the saints, according to the will of God. And we know that all things work together for good. No, it doesn't say that you have to read the rest of the verse. All things work together for good to those that love God, if we do not love God, will it work together for good? No. Did them who are called according to His purpose, or whom he did for know he did also predestinate to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brothers, moreover, whom he did predestinate them he also called, and whom He called them he also justified and whom He justified them he also was right in the here and now that something those whom He called, why was he able to call them because he knew that when he'd call, you'd believe he knew this from before the foundation of the world, he knew that you would be there for you are called of him. And when he called you knowing that you would believe he did another thing for you a lot he justified, he justified. And when he justified you he already was glorified to this why the word said, we're already seated in the heavenly places with you. What shall we then say to these things, if God before us, who can be what is not something? Can't we go forth this week of the Bible's Word of God with an abundance and an effervescence and a glow and a power? If God be far as who can be one, amen. He's expected not His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all. How shall he not with him also free to give us what who shall lay anything to the charge of God's elect?


Well, who Satan only five who shall lay anything to charge a god you like?


It is his scratch up. Should be the word if you're going to put in there should be shall God who justified if God justified you, is he going delay anything to you? Alright, then who's buying delay in charge to God he like it's God who justified shove God who justified you lay anything any charge to you know? Who is he that condemned? Shall Christ that died for you? shall he be the one to condemn you? How can he be gay rather than is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also make a lot intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? tribulation, or distress or persecution or famine or nakedness or peril, resort? My God is when Who shall separate us from the love of Christ is the present in us is the present with us. Is the near to us, is the always show ectoplasm movement Don't worry. Christ is still with even if that moves, Who shall separate us from the love of God not as it is written various 36 hours I think we're killed all the day long. We're counted as sheep for what? Nay, and all these things in every situation. We are more than conquerors through Him because of what he did for he so what love does not wonderful, oh, boy, I am persuaded beyond a shadow of a doubt, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, Devil spirits, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature shall be able to separate us. And through this whole area, basically talking about devil spirits. Nothing shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus, our lot. Bless your heart, now wonderful, nothing, all hell can separate you from the love of God which is in Christ. This body is dead because of sin. This is why we await the adopts to it namely the resurrection or the of the body, the getting up for the body. And yet nothing can separate us from the love of God. Boy, what a message that is to people today. What a message This is in your community, and your churches in the areas that you represent a message that the world just has never heard that Christians haven't heard that nothing can separate them because they're scared to death. They're really afraid nothing can separate us from the love of God. And ladies and gentlemen, if it was not eternal life something could separate you real quick but it's something that God wrought in Christ when we confess with our mouths the Lord Jesus we believe God raised Him from the dead and the questions you want to ask about this chapter anything you want to add to it


at all once this is in first gone you're thinking and what's your question Yeah, we got to find the verse that isn't quite right when you say it because they love the brothers is that the one you're thinking of find someone find that versus because they love the brother and someone else find this one I think it's in first John. Hereby you shall know them if they love one another. I think it's also in the Gospels. Three different places we find all three we're reading read it Paul verse 14 In the same chapter read it Paul. That's not the one you were thinking of either Rachel not the one is that anyone else? Bill not the one alright. Read hereby you shall know you're my disciples if you love one another. This was good for his day, but it's not good enough bro.


because we are under a different administration, right or like, right or knowledge, this word is. It's not that we love one another that determines whether we're Christian. But are we born again of God's Spirit? And do you speak in tongues? Have you got the external manifestation in the senses world of the spirit within? They did not have spirit within. It didn't have fruit within it. They only had reckoned right? This business of loving one another can be a big food, I want to tell you something. She and I are brothers and sister in the Lord. If she's madder than a little redhead. And I matter than an old Plymouth Rock rooster at Earth. We'd still be brothers, or brother and sister in the Lord. Why? Because she is born again and I'm born again. But it's deadly to see Christians real Christians fighting among the several brothers and sisters that's fight the devil or fight someone else not each other. Right? Why do you want to fight each other for you to fight? Get together in the same ball team and fight the enemy? Anyone else? No, it's wonderful. All right, anyone else?