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Romans 8:31-39 - Corps - October 23,1979

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Publication Date: October 23, 1979

On Ephesians 4:25 where I want to begin tonight, or where we will begin tonight , the first part of what the Research Team gave me is the work that Walter Cummins published in our wonderful Way Magazine on "The Spoken Word." Also, as we cover Ephesians 4:28 tonight, I had all the information in front of me from another article that Walter Cummins has in the... has had in the Magazine. The first article on Ephesians 4:25 is entitled "The Spoken Word." The one on Ephesians 4:28 is "Workers for God." Both of these pieces of work by Walter are absolutely superb. And I believe that they should appear and will appear in our research journal GMIR whenever we begin publishing that. {GMIR Aramaic word meaning ' to perfect, accomplish , mature, complete, arithmetically to be divisible without any remainder.}

And I noticed again that some of the things that were stated are just so beautifully and logically presented, I'm truly thankful for, not only Walter, but the whole Research Department. I think our Biblical Research Department is just second to none. And it' s even going to be better by God' s mercy and grace next year and in years to come than it is at this time. And right now I do not believe that our Biblical Research Department needs to take a back seat for any academic institution or work in the world.

And I thought today, I have never... I've never thought of Walter Cummins in any other capacity than to be my assistant. I know Vince Finnegan, you know, on the books is my assistant. And that' s great. But I've never thought of Walter Cummins in any other capacity for so many years as always being my assistant. And I think he' s just the most wonderful person that any president could have as his assistant. And also to be chairmen of the Department of Greek, and then the coordinator of the Biblical research of The Way International. For any one man to have that position and that responsibility is an awesome reality and I'm real proud of Walter and real thankful for him. But I am also thankful for the rest of our wonderful men and women in the Research Department.

I would like for the Corps all over the country to go to the Magazine and find "The Spoken_Word," that's the title of it, dealing with Ephesians 4:25 and other scriptures, and before the next Corps meeting next week, you endeavor to master that great piece of work by Walter Cummins. It's just, you know, the spoken Word. Over fifty Greek words are used in the New Testament in connection with the faculties of utterance. Over fifty. And then he takes the most important ones and he lists them and it' s just. .. it' s just a piece of research work that you should really as a Corps master in your heart and in your life.

Ephesians 4:25 in the King James reads, Wherefore put away lyin g, speak every man truth with his neighbor: for we are members one of another.

The ' putting away' was interesting to me again because of the Greek word aniko, a-n-i-k-o.

And this word is ' the putting away,' this word ' put away,' aniko, is the same root word as in 4:22, where we use the word ' rest,' meaning ' to rest.' Is that right? Yep, that is right. I taught you that,

didn't I? Did I or didn't I? Doesn't look right to me. It is the same root. What chapter am I missing? Am I missing anything? I don't know. Right now I'm screwed up, ha ha. First time today. You check the word again and I'll do that, too and see what I'm missing here.

But a-n-i-k-o is the word for ' putting away from you. ' To put away. And it' s the same root as the word ' rest.' I don't know where the word appears, but it's got to be in there.

Now, that word ' speak,' every man speak. That word ' speak ' is from the Greek word

laleo, l-a-l-e-long-o. And that' s where Walter' s article on "The Spoken Word"_c omes in because that is.. .he uses that word laleo in here, which I teach in Corinthians when I teach the Foundational Class. And he says the word is employed 24 times in I Corinthians chapter 14. I had forgotten that.

This word is truly significant. I couldn' t quite understand it Research Department, what  you said on page 26B 16, where you defined it ' to make vocal utterance,' ' to babble,' 'to talk,'  'to  exercise the faculty of speech without reference to the words spoken.' I just wondered if there might not be another word that could be substituted or utilized at this point. I know that Zachariah 8:16 is the quotation that is used here, or spoken of. And that Zachariah 8:16 adds force to what is said by using a quote, a quotation. That' s why my question to the Research Department is, How can it be without reference to what is spoken if it is truth plus the quotation of the Word of God that's given. It doesn't quite fit for me.

'With his neighbor' has to be a believing neighbor. This 'speak truth with his neighbor' is a figure of speech gnome, g-n-o-m-e, which simply is a citation. And that' s a citation from Zachariah 8:16.

There are a series of figures of speech, Corps, in chapter four which just put the 00mph, the highlight, to the particular things that are set whereby you put off the old man. This phrase here 'speak every man truth with his neighbor'  is one of them. The other one appears in verse 26, 'be  angry and sin not.' ' Steal no more' is another one. 'Corrupt communication' is the fourth one.  'Grieve not the  holy spirit' is the fifth one. ' All bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, evil speaking' is  the sixth. And  then  ' be kind' and so forth, is the seventh.

You see, the last phrase in that verse, in King James, For we' re members one of what? [Another] And it' s relative to the neighbor. Now you just look at that. Wherefore put away  lying, speak  every  man truth with his what? [Neighbor] For we are members  one of  another.  That  doesn't  mean just  a neighbor who lives next door, but it has to be a believing neighbor because  we are members  one of what? [Another]. You could not be a member ' one of another' ifhe  was an  unbeliever.  That's how I know this is going to  work. This tells me that the neighbor  is  a  believer.  And  this  ' we' re members one of another' continues the imagery of the Body of Christ.

The literal  according  to  usage of this verse is as follows:   Wherefore  put away the  lie... and I believe in my heart, before I go on with the literal that until man is born again, it's all a lie anyways. And that' s why I believe that this translation will fit in the light of that knowledge. Because when  a man is not born again, his whole  life is just a  lie. Now you're  born again,  and that ' s  why  I think the text states it ' wherefore put away the lie,' the life you' ve been living , the screwed up life you have lived outside of God. It' s been just a life of a lie. It' s not truth. It' s just the opposite of truth and that's my reason for translating it this way... Wherefore put away the lie.

You've got to go with that translation. You have no other text to go by both from Aramaic and Greek it's 'lie.' Not 'lying.' If the Research Department has anything to share in the light of that, I'd be blessed to hear, but you' ve heard my reasons for translating it, Research Department, this way.

Now since they're born again, their whole life is changed, so the life of lying, and living a lie, and being a lie, and being false, is to be put away.

And every man... this is the translation ... and everyone, everyone. The word ' man' you could use because it's an inclusive noun, but I prefer to use the word ' one.'

Wherefore put away the lie and everyone speak the truth with his neighbor for we are members one of another. That is literal according to usage.

Now for the expanded according to understanding. It's not bad. Because of this... What we coughing for? Everybody sick?...Because of this... and the reason I went in the expanded along this line is because verse 24 last week told us that we are created by God in righteousness and in true purity, through holiness. Twenty four.

That's why 25, Wherefore ... 'wherefore' can be translated 'because of this.' Because of this what? Being created in righteousness and truly pure. See it's an inside job.

Because of this being created in righteousness and truly pure by the grace and the love of

God.. .Because of this being created in righteousness and truly pure, you put away, completely lay to rest the lie that you have been and were living and each one of you speak the truth using a quotation from the Word with his believing neighbor for we are members one of another in the Body of the Church.

Robinson {Edward} said, he translated, 'speak every man truth with his neighbor' and he said it's from Zachariah 8:16 which adds force to what is said by using a quote. That's why I translated that. I think that' s great. It adds force to what is said. If you're speaking to someone, it adds force to what you say by using a quote, a quotation from God's Word. In other words, ' you share the Word with them.' That' s why I went with that translation. I want to give it to you again in this sense.

Speak the truth using a quotation from the Word, which means 'share the Word.' Quote the Word to them. Tell them what the Word says, with his believing neighbor. Why? For we are members one of another in the Body of the Church. This verse is just mind blowing.

Here, you have a born-again believer neighbor who needs to grow up a little more. So what do you do? Each one speak the truth to that neighbor, that believer, using the Word, quoting the Word because we' re members one of another in the Body of the Church. It's a real positive thing to do.

Verse 26 in King James reads, Be angry.. .ha ha... we like that one, don't we. Be ye angry and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath.

Here is a verse of Scripture that' s very, very difficult for most people. And it' s not too easy for us either. But I think we are able to share the truth of the greatness of this and it's been burning in my heart for a long time to do this with our people.

Everybody has problems with ' how can you be angry and not sin?' You know, how can raise hell with something and not be sinful in doing it? Teed off and not be sinful. And how can you go... and what does it mean 'don't let the sun go down upon your wrath?' See.

In the context, here, verses 26 and 27 deal with your believing neighbor, specifically. Then the Greek word for ' anger' which is from the root orge, o-r-g-long-e means 'anger together with the desire of revenge .' That' s bad. That' s a heavy. The Hebrew word means ' to kill, and all the tumults of passion that terminate in killing.' So it's a real heavy word when it said ' be angry.'

And the way I believe it's used in God' s Word, ' be ye angry' means ' it's a long time anger with your believing neighbor until a change has ensued.' The desire to... of revenge is a change. And I, knowing the Word in the light of the new birth, it's where a change finally comes about. Until that time, you just, long-term, you just stay put witnessing the Word, sharing the Word. You do not dislike the believing neighbor; you simply dislike that he is not fully accepting the Word and walking on it. So it' s a long-term anger until a change has ensued. You just stay faithful.

I don't know what else to do with those words. It is a righteous anger. Yet it is a righteous anger without sin.

Among the scholars, there is a disagreement on these words. Well, I don't know about my being a scholar; that I don' t anything about being about. But it's simple to me because righteous anger is commanded by God's Word when it says ' be ye angry.' Well, the scholars can fight about it. I don' t care. It' s a command. Not just permitted to get teed once in a while when somebody' s off of God' s Word, a believer is off of God's Word. You' re always teed off righteously at any believer, born-again believer, who is off of God' s Word. And for those of us in the Way Ministry, it' s been a lifetime.

Get into it with them on... Oh what subject do you want to talk about? Baptism? Food? One God? See. All that stuff.

The Aramaic is accurate in the words ' and sin not.' It literally translates ' and you will not sin.' Again, this ' be angry and sin not' is that figure gnome. Quotation. A citation from the Old Testament. It' s from Psalm 4:4. But in King James, Psalm 4:4, it's translated 'stand in awe.' The real sense of the Hebrew is ' one of admonition;' sin not. Where we' re admonished to not sin. Sin not.

' Let not the sun go down on your wrath. ' Ha ha. That again is beautiful. People went to bed when the sun went down, when it got dark. That's when they went to bed. So what that simply is saying, ha ha, ' don't go to bed teed off.' Don' t let the sun go down on your wrath. In other words, go to bed; don' t go to bed mad. ' When you go to bed' is what it means. Let not the sun go down when you go to bed. And they went to bed when the sun went down. When it got dark, they went to bed, see.

' Upon your wrath.' And the word ' wrath' here is basically ' irritation.' Ha ha. Previously when I taught Ephesians, I made mention of this fact, ' don' t let righteous anger shake you, wondering if it was right on. When you go to bed, go to sleep.'

Now, this is what we have done with it in the literal, ha ha, according to usage. I got more papers up here than Carter has liver pills, or something. Then, I can' t find my... whatever it is I take off of it.

Okay, verse 26. You be righteously angry.. .this is literal according to usage.. .and you will not be sinning. Don't go to bed even with a momentary irritation, ha ha.

I don't think you get nearly as much fun out of this as I do. It's neat. It's absolutely scrumptious, see. At the opening, is that heavy word, remember? Anger. So it's a real heavy time. So what he is saying, in the heavy time, when your standing on God' s Word  and sharing that with the  believing  neighbor, you' re righteously angry... you're not sinning. And  you don't  even go to  bed with a momentary irritation. In other Words, when you go to bed, thank God the day is over. Say your last prayer and start snoring.

Boy, that would save a lot of sleeping pills, wouldn' t it? Practicing that principle. Boy, oh boy, what a tremendous Word. And hardly anybody understands verse 26. They argue about it, but they don' t get the understanding.

Now this is the expanded one according to understanding, I hope. And again, I would like to just lay some things before the Corps, and especially before the Research Department. I translated the first part of verse 26, You always stay angry with an all-out desire to have them to change which anger will not be sin on your part.

Then I have another translation of that first part of it: You be righteously angry, 'teed off' with sin... 'Teed off' I put in quotes. But don't  you sin  by acting  ' holier than thou'  vaunting  yourself  by acting so righteously like you never sin.

I do not know which one of those two the Research Department feels would be the better. The last part of the phrase that I translated which would go with both of these that I have given you here on the expanded one for understanding. This, the last part, goes with that first one and with the second ... also.. .even if it is only a momentary irritation.  When you go to  bed, go to sleep. That's what I did with it.

Now, verse 27. King James says, Neither (or neither) give place to the Devil. The word 'place' is simply a portion, a part. No believer will give full place to the Devil, but he may be giving a part, a portion. He' ll mark off a spot, ' this is Devil' s permission over here, over here, no permission, you know. And you really give the Devil a portion or a spot if you stew about it after you go to bed and you toss and you tum and can' t sleep.

This word 'the Devil,' ' the Devil' in the Aramaic is a very interesting and exciting Word to me and it blesses my heart. It' s a compound word where the first part means ' to eat' or ' to devour.' The latter

' to slander' or ' to accuse. '  So when I got to translating  this, literally according  to usage, verse 27 reads: Do not give any portion or space or an opportunity to the Devil. So I used those three words synonymously: portion, space, opportunity. Do not give any portion or space or an opportunity to the Devil.

The expanded according to understanding: And you will not give a toehold, an opportunity or an occasion for the Devil to eat you. Ha ha. I get more fun than you ever will out of working this stuff, huh.

You see, and to me, that communicates to my understanding. John 10:10. The thief cometh not but for to what? [Steal, kill, and destroy] Right. To eat you out. To beat you. And that's why that Aramaic word, on the word ' Devil' really thrilled me.

And that ' s why I put it into the expanded translation: And you will not give a ' toehold.' Now, at L.E.A.D., you know how important it is to get a what? [Toehold] Ha ha. And when you' re really climbing in, you' re blessed for a toehold. How thankful you are when you get a foothold. Now the adversary can never get a foothold in a believer' s life until he first has a toehold. That's why I translated it that way.

Do not give... and you will not give a toehold ... shave all the rocks off... an opportunity or an occasion for the Devil to eat you. And that' s exactly what he likes to do to believers.

Now we go to verse 28. King James says, Let him that stole steal not more: but rather let him labor, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. And here again, is another great work that I believe should be in our research journal GMIR, Walter' s work on " Workers for God."

It' s just tremendous where he... you know... he just goes into God' s men are called many things in the Word. They' re called: fellow workers, ministers, or servants, slaves, fellow slaves, partners, messengers, soldiers, fellow soldiers, athletes, fellow athletes, stewards, ambassadors, witnesses, all of those. And he covers them so beautifully. And I love very much how he covered the word ' slave,' because it' s a much stronger word than to be a minister, or to be a servant. It is to be one who is branded, marked out, sold out. And baby, from that day on, there are no ifs, and' s, or but' s. You never budge on it. You are branded. Most believers are never branded. They may be servants, they may be ministers, but they are not branded. When you' re branded, you stay faithful. You do not budge. You do not change. You stay put. If all hell breaks loose, you still live the believing Word.

I think the prophet once said, If I was in the midst of hell, God I know you' d be there. (Psalm 139:8) He' d be there. That' s the doulos. That, of course, is just a tremendous piece of work.

And the other great part that I think... and this is a second piece that I want the Corps to master before next Wednesday night, " Workers for God," the work on ' witness.' You see, it's the same word basically that's translated ' martyr,' see. And we got a lot of those canonized. That's not at all what a witness is. A witness is a living example, not a dead one. The word 'martyr' simply means that you lay down your life in witnessing. And boy, when you put the doulos together with ' witness,' then you' ve got power for abundant living. It's just a fantastic work by Walter and I' m real grateful that it was published. Because once it' s in print, people can take a look at it if they want to.

I'd like a cup of coffee, please.

Now, we are in verse 28. The Aramaic translation is ' and he who was stealing.' I understand it from the English, ' let him that stole,' past tense. The Aramaic is real simple, real strong. ' And he, the one who is born again, who was, past tense, stealing.'

Thank you.

His whole life was one of those before he was born again.

Whenever you bring a cup of coffee to a right-hand man, you put the handle to the right. When you serve a cup of coffee to a left-hand man, you put it on the left-hand side and put the handle to the left. Corps principle number seven or something, ha ha. Mrs. Wierwille would say, Well, be thankful you even get a cup of coffee. [Laughter] Ah, you're wonderful.

See, ' let him who stole, steal no more.' 'Stole and steal,' that' s a figure of speech and is polyptoton p-o-l-y-p-t-o-t-o-n. It' s a repetition of the same root word in different parts of speech or reflections. But, that's not earth shaking right now in my heart.

You see, in some Eastern culture, it was not considered a sin or a shame to steal because that's the way they lived, the only way they lived. Somebody told me... or not only told me, one of our people, but it was in a national magazine, that the basic culture of Russia today is to steal. And in some respects I can understand this. If you don't have anything and you're starving to death and there' s a loaf of bread you can get a hold of... steal the dam thing. I understand that.

So this verse is really sharp, really sharp. Let him who stole, even though that man previously considered it the way to live and there was no shame in it, no sin in it. He said, Well, let that fellow who stole, steal no more. Something has happened on the inside of that man. Something that happened, where He is able to meet all of our need according to His riches in glory. Christ in you, the hope of glory. More than conquerors.

A record in the Old Testament, I forget where it is, but it's in there, that it' s never, you never need to borrow or steal bread or... what is that in the Old Testament? Begging bread. One person stand and tell me. {Psalm 37:25, I have been young and now am old; yet have I seen the righteous forsaken, nor His seed begging bread.} Psalm 27:25 who? {Psalm 37:25} 37:25. All the years, he's never seen the righteous to have to do what? {Beg bread} Beg bread.

First of all, I wish the Christian world could hear this. Secondly, I wish our government in the United States could understand it. The Word says, If you don't work, you don' t eat. A lot of that stuff. Well, what we've been doing is stealing from the people who are willing to work to give to the people who don' t want to work. That's a bunch of crap. That's stealing. That's why this verse is so hot in my soul tonight. Let him who stole, quit stealing, dang it. See.

Many years ago I was really knocked for a loop along some of this line in India, from Dr. Williams. I think he loved India maybe like I love the United States, I don' t know. Because only a man knows how much he loves his own country, I guess.

But... as we were traveling together, he said to me, Dr. Wierwille, I hear you have whores in the United States.

You know, I never had given it a thought. I just took it for granted. [Laughter] And I said, yeah. He said, Why does a rich country like the United States have whores?

And I said, I don't know.

And he said, I can't understand it. Cannot your women make enough money to live? Yeah, but they figure that' s cheaper and more pleasurable or something, I don' t know. And he said, Well, I think it's sinful that the United States has whores.

And I said, What do you mean?

And he said to me, why, I can understand India. He said we don' t enough food, we don' t have enough of anything hardly for a lot of people. And we have whores because that' s the only way they can continue to live physically.

And I thought to myself, well boy, that' s slapping me in the face good. And I took it as a wonderful lesson. There is no excuse in the United States for any women being a whore because she doesn' t need to get screwed and paid for it in order to get money so she can live. There's plenty of work available and if there isn' t she ought to get born again, then there' s a guarantee of work. ..other work, available. I tell you, when you' re honest, some of these men in other countries have some real logic behind their thinking. How would you have liked to have handled that? I just simply admitted, Well, I think we' re wrong in the United States. But I said, I think you' re wrong in India, too, because no reason to have whores here if you get them born again.

So I don' t know. But this verse today as I worked the final working on this verse 28 is when my heart really went back and burned with that truth that Dr. Williams had stated. Because in many Eastern cultures, it was not considered as sin or as shame to steal, if it was a matter of livelihood. You sometimes wonder who will live in the greatest condemnation before God and justice and judgment when the time comes.

For in most of what are called poor countries even, there is sufficient money, food, and other things for the people to live if those in positions of authority were not so selfish and egotistical, and want it for themselves , and let the rest of the world die... or a country die.

The word ' labor' in verse 28 is the word which literally means ' hard work resulting in fatigue.' That's how I felt coming from the woods last night. And I didn' t do anything. It was just hard work being there with the rest of you. Today I got so tired of being with some, I came home. Ah, you' re wonderful.

' Working with his hands' is an Eastern cultural type of thing. Today in our culture, you could have it, you know, the truth is working with your mind or working with your hand, whatever you' re working at. But in Eastern culture, every son was to be trained to work with his hands, even if he was the son of a king. Had to learn a trade, a profession of business.

Jesus Christ was a saddle maker. He made them to ride, I guess, what do you want? Tennessee Walkers , or? See. I think not only did he do that, Paul did it, too, you know. Someday I'm going to find a...or Walter, or some of those, are going to find me a manuscript to prove it. .. and a wonderful carpenter by trade. Many times doing carpentry work and being a saddle maker were sort of in the same household, because building carpentry and having saddles to use for their business and carrying on, were very, very closely aligned. Well, I won' t argue the point, but I wish we' d keep looking.

II Thessalonians.. .Do your hands ever get so dry you can hardly hold anything? Golly, mine are so dry tonight, I wonder why? II Thessalonians, chapter 3:10... this we commanded you that if any would not work, neither should he what? [Eat] Right. Even unemployment is no excuse for stealing. He just doesn' t eat. Goes and gets work. Boy, when I first saw the greatness of these principles many years ago, and then of course, I uniquely by God' s grace, inculcated that into our W.O.W. program and very dynamically in the Corps leadership.

ROMANS 8:31-39
October 23, 1979
Here in Verses 31-39 that we’re dealing with, we come to the culmination of the goal, what
all of this is about. Here we reach the apex in this conclusion section of Romans 8, which
is the pinnacle of man’s complete redemption. We need more to live than freedom from
law of sin and death. We need a life that is more than abundant in this sin ridden and
devastating world. Romans 8:31-39 stands right at the apex, the pinnacle of all truth. It’s
totally unchallenged. The great reality in these verses is untraceable and it’s unmeasurable.
In the midst of all trials and tribulations, this section in Romans rings loudly and is heard
down the corridors of all history and time by Satan and the onslaught of devil spirits
against all sons of God.
Romans 8:31
“What shall we then say to these things?” What things? All the things that have gone
before in the Book of Romans culminating with those who are called with His purpose,
those who have been justified and those who have been glorified. You have to work Verse
31 and 32 as a unit in order to see the great impact of it. The first part deals with God.
Romans 8:32
That’s why and how God is for us.
Romans 4:25
Galatians 2:20
That is why and how God is for us. That’s why the truth also reads, talking about Jesus
Christ and how God in Jesus Christ, “how shall he not with him also freely give us all
things?’’
Those are the all things that pertain to life and godliness which are freely given unto us.
Romans 8:31
If God be for us, who against us? If God be for us who could possibly be against anything
that God has so completely, completely completed.
Romans 8:33
Any charge of condemnation in any way on the called, the justified, the glorified or call in
question anything against anyone of God’s elect.
“It is” – should be “shall” all the way through. Shall God Who justified? Shall God Who
justified, Who called, Who glorified? Is He going to lay any charge, any condemnation in
any way, call in question anything against anyone who He has saved? How stupid! God
won’t do it. He’s the only one who could lay anything on you. And He called you, justified
you, glorified you. So He’s not going to uncall you, unjustify you, unglorify you.
Then you go to a second “who” in Verse 34.
Romans 8:34
This changes from God to His son who did the work for us and in us so that God could
call, justify and glorify. It’s just absolutely beautiful that He moves to His son Jesus Christ
here because this Christ Jesus always did the will of the Father. Here these verses come to
my mind. I and my Father are one. This is why it moves from God in Verse 32 to Christ
Jesus in Verse 34. The best texts add the word “Jesus” after the word “Christ.”
Here we are dealing with condemnation.
Romans 8:1
Romans 8:34
Here we’re coming back to condemnation at the end of Romans 8.
Who is he that condemeth the called, the justified, the glorified? Shall Christ our brother
condemn us who died for us, God’s only begotten son who knew no sin but became sin for
us that we might be made the righteousness of God in him? Yes, even more Christ is risen,
for God raised him from the dead when all was fully completed. And furthermore, Christ
ascended and is seated at the right hand of God. Furthermore, Christ also makes
intercession for us against the Adversary.
We have here in these verses some real legal stuff. There are four basic things involved:
the accuser, the accused, the judge and the execution.
Job 2:1
“Sons of God” – created angels
The accuser is the Adversary, Satan. He comes to accuse Job.
Job 2:2 and 3
The Adversary had access to God’s throne as the accuser who accuses God’s people, Job.
The judge of course is God. The execution of that judgment is dependent upon God.
Zechariah 3:1 and 2
Satan was at the right hand. He was the accuser. He had entry to God until the ascension of
the Lord Jesus Christ. When he ascended upon high, he sat down at the right hand of God.
That’s why I said to you about that verse in Romans, even more, rather, that is reason
again, even more Christ is risen, for God raised him from the dead when all was fully paid
or completed, furthermore, Christ ascended and is seated at the right hand of God.
Furthermore, Christ makes intercession for us against the Adversary, the angel of light,
Lucifer, who at one time was at the right hand and because of the junk he did, was finally
replaced by Jesus Christ, God’s only begotten son, who is today at the right hand of God
making intercession, not accusations but intercession. Christ’s present place is at the right
hand of God. That’s the place formerly of the accuser. Today it’s the place of God’s only
begotten son who does not accuse but he makes intercession for the saints according to the
will of God.
Hebrews 7:25
This gives you the perfect standing before God in Christ Jesus. The accuser has been
replaced by God’s only begotten son. We, who were formerly accused, are no longer
accused because we have been called, justified, glorified. God is the judge and therefore, if
God be for us, who is going to be against us? Who is going to lay anything against God’s
elect? That’s our perfect standing in the wonderful family and household of God.
Romans 8:35
Now we come to the present circumstances in life while you’re living here upon earth. This
does not deal with condemnation. Verse 34 deals with condemnation, and we see there is
no condemnation. Verse 35 deals with separation, not condemnation.
I put together with this some of the truth from Ephesians 3:17, for we are rooted and
grounded in God’s love in Christ and manifest above all with all saints and know the love
of Christ in its breadth, length, depth and height, for we are filled with all the fullness of
God.
Then who shall separate us from the love of Christ Jesus?
There’s a listing of seven here regarding separation. I want to handle these seven with the
greatest of my spiritual knowledge and ability to give you the best understanding that I
know. You have in this section the great paradox of truth, but the paradox relates itself to
the standing and then to our present life here upon earth. The standing is one of eternal life,
called, justified, glorified, already seated in the heavenlies with him. But the other side of
the truth is that we are still living in this world, and we’re surrounded with tribulation,
distress, persecution, etc.
We know according to Verse 34 that nothing is going to condemn us. Now what can
separate us?
Tribulation is pressure from evil, evil pressure that is heaped upon you. I think perhaps
“mind pressure” would define it as well as I can understand it.
Distress is also translated at times as “anguish,” but really this word means they tried to
crowd you back, threw you back against the wall for what you believe and stand for.
Persecution is where they even follow you around to irritate you.
Famine – To handle this one we go to Matthew 24.
Matthew 24:7
That’s the same word that’s used in Romans for “famine.” You see its application here in
its first usage in Matthew relates itself to the immediate time preceding the return.
Mark 13:8
“Famines” – same word
Luke 4:25
Luke 15:14
Same word.
Luke 21:11
So far everyone dealt with that period of time relating to the return, preceding. Then
regarding Elijah and the one son who didn’t do right and save.
Revelation 18:8
Those are all the usages of this word in Romans 8:35, “famine.”
There is no question about it’s coming. Furthermore, look at Romans 8 again.
Romans 8:35
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Did the famine separate Elijah? Everybody
else starved but who? That’s what he is trying to show you. But he’s also trying to show
you that if you blow it like the prodigal son, then you too are going to be in want. God will
take care of His believers if they believe, even if He has to take them to the brook Kidron
and feed them and water them. Even if He has to put them in a widow’s house and the
cruse of oil never runs out.
Nakedness means not much money. You cannot buy a lot of clothing and TVs.
Peril is a source of agitation endeavoring to introduce fear into your walk. It’s irritation.
Eight times it’s used in one verse in Corinthians when Paul was in peril of robbers, peril of
the sea, peril of this, peril of that. Just an agitation to introduce fear.
Sword but it isn’t a sword. The best way I know to describe it to you would be like a
hunting knife today. It isn’t a sword to chop heads off with. It’s like a hunting knife. The
meaning of this, Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall mind pressure, the
crowd trying to pin you back against the wall, those who march against you or follow you
around to irritate you. Just because there’s not enough food or money available will you be
lacking? Just because there’s hot a lot of money available to buy clothing, will you have it?
Just because they try to cut you to pieces with words, that’s the word sword. Cut you to
pieces with words. Is that going to separate you from the love of Christ?
Here you have seven, which is the Adversary’s spiritual perfection endeavoring to ruin
you. And it always begins with mind pressure, gets you to doubt God’s Word that you
question the integrity of the Word, and what has been taught. This is our present suffering
where we stand, withstand and endure. This is the paradox of truth.
Seven stands for spiritual perfection on both sides of the ledger.
Ten is ordinal perfection. We’re going to end up tonight with ten things later on. When you
put these numbers together, you end up with ten and seven in this section of Romans 8
which is seventeen, and seventeen is one of the prime numbers. As a matter of fact, it’s the
last prime number available. There are only seven prime numbers. Seventeen is the last.
Thirteen is a prime number too.
That’s the greatness in my heart and life of Verse 35.
Romans 8:36
This is a uniquely difficult verse of scripture unless you have the understanding that I have
just shared with you. This of Verse 35 is present. Verse 36 is Old Testament past. Old
Testament past believers, present new body of Christ believers, like you and I. Verse 36
about Old Testament.
For the Old Testament believers as well as for us present-day sons of God, there is no
separation in relationship to even the overwhelming odds. To see it in the light of the
greatness of the truth of God’s Word you’re going to have to go to Hebrews 11.
Hebrews 11:1
Now believing is the title deed to things prayed for, the evidence that they are yours before
they are seen.
Hebrews 11:2
For by it the elders were made witnesses. These are the witnesses, they were believers who
had died.
Hebrews 11:3
Through believing we understand that the ages were prepared by the Word of God to the
end that things which are seen came not into being of things which do appear.
Hebrews 11:4-12
The reason you have so much in Hebrews 11:8-12 about Abraham and his wife is because
all the believer’s line went back to Abraham. Putting that truth in with Romans 8 is
singularly significant. Abraham looked for a city. You and I look for the return of Christ.
Sarah believed and conceived a child.
Hebrews 11:13, 17, 20-23
Here you have a great number of verses on Moses because he is the great prophet until
Christ.
Hebrews 11:31-35
See why Romans puts this verse in tying together the modern times in which you and I
live, the present day believers. If someone becomes weak in believing after we have the
pressures, persecution, all that stuff and he’s overcome by it for the moment and he dies,
he still has eternal life and will be in the gathering together.
Hebrews 11:36-40
Hebrews 12:1 and 2
Romans 8:36
In the teeth of the enemy, in the lion’s den, in life’s fiery furnaces against all opposition,
against foes seen and known, foes unseen and unknown, we are super conquerors.
Romans 8:37
We are not exempt from these things, but right in the midst of them, right in the present
moment of life we are super conquerors through him that loved us.
Talking about Verse 35, separate us from the love of Christ, Verse 37 through him that
loved us and Verse 39 closes it all out with the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our
Lord. So the love of Christ, he who loved us. The love of God which is in Christ Jesus.
Like in the new birth, it’s God in Christ in you. This love is the love of God in Christ
Jesus, our Lord and our Savior. In all these things, who is going to separate us? Nothing.
We can be and we are super conquerors until such a time when we falter in our believing
and we succumb to the enemy and he destroys us for a moment, but we are guaranteed, as
they were in Old Testament past to be in the first resurrection, we, the sons of God are
guaranteed to be in the gathering together. That’s why Verse 35 and 36 deal with those two
truths that I have shared with you. And Verse 37 deals with our present time sons of God
telling us that we are not only conquerors, but we are super conquerors. Believers have
lived so far below par, born again believers. Number one, because they have not been
taught the accuracy of God’s Word. Number two, those who have known the accuracy of
God’s Word refuse to believe it and walk on it. The moment you refuse to believe and not
walk on God’s Word, you will not be a super conqueror.
Romans 8:38
“For I am persuaded.” We read it in Hebrews 11. Persuaded to the end that there is not one
iota of doubt, fully convinced, not just in the head but in the heart. It’s not just a mind trip
where you quote the Word. It’s a trip of the walk, the talk, the living of it.
For I have been persuaded beyond a shadow of a doubt. The question logically is, how was
he persuaded? Very simple. By the Word of God. That’s how you’re persuaded. The Word
of God is the will of God. By believing that Word. That’s how he was persuaded. By
speaking in tongues much, operating manifestations, renewing of the mind. That’s why it
comes up here at the close of this chapter again about renewed mind.
I taught you that this whole chapter basically deals with renewed mind. You’ll not find this
written in any commentary of Biblical work outside of the Word. How persuaded? By the
Word.
Then you get to the ten different things. The KV has the better of it. When you have
“neither, nor” like this, you have a figure of speech with great emphasis in it.
Life – senses world living, nothing in this life, nothing in this world, not even death.
Next category, angels, principalities, powers. Nothing in the spirit world. This deals with
Devil spirit world. Spirits, ruling spirits, ruling powers.
Perhaps Ephesians 6:12 should be inserted here.
Third category, things present, things to come. There is no dimension in time that will
separate us.
Romans 8:39
Next category, height, depth, no dimension in space that will separate us.
The final category, nor anything else in all creation.
Ladies and gentlemen, you made him Lord when you accepted him and spoke in tongues,
so you have the witness.
How far we have lived below par. How weak the so-called Christian church has manifested
itself because they simply refuse to believe and walk in the light of the greatness of God’s
Word that is so completely revealed and finally culminates in the great truths of these
verses, 31-39. If God be for us, who can be against us? No condemnation, nothing that can
separate us, in all things we are more than conquerors and we are persuaded that nothing
shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
The next section in Romans deals with Chapters 9,10 and closes it out in Chapter 11 in
verses that I think, I know, should strike a very hot iron in your mind in relationship to the
great verses that I’ve just shared. That begins with Romans 11:33.
Romans 11:33
“unsearchable” – incomprehensible; You may to a degree apprehend, but you will never
comprehend until the return.
How incomprehensible are God’s judgments.
“past finding out” – untraceable
Romans 11:34-36
Romans 12:1 and 2
That, Corps, I believe is Romans 8.