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Romans 8 vs 31 - chpt 11 vs 36 - 13

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Romans 8:31-11:36

Lesson 13

Verse 31:
Romans 8:31:
What shall we then say to these things? [is the question. Right? The answer is:] If
God be for us who can be [what?] against us.
Alright. Verse 32 is the how:
Romans 8:32:
He that spared not his own Son, [got it?] but delivered him up for us all, how shall
he not with him also freely give us all things?
Maybe you ought to mark your Bibles that you’re working, in verse 31, first part is the
question, then write the word “answer” next to it and then write the how next to verse 32.
So, the next time you see it, you know what I’m giving you here now will be a tremendous
teaching sometime when you’re on the field. For, you know, like you’re having an advance
or something and you got to handle something that’s simple and yet dynamically real. You
know, just hit them between the eye balls. This kind of stuff would really do it because of
the order in which it is set. Verse 33 the question:
Romans 8:33:
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect?
See? That’s the question: Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect?
[REPEATS:] Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect? Accuse or call in
question anyone of God’s selected ones. And God’s elected or selected ones are those
whom God knew would do one thing, what?
[Students:] Believe.
Believe, see how you have to keep that thing constantly? God justifieth, one of the old
texts has “shall God who justifieth?” I understand that. If God justified us that there is no
condemnation, you know, and no dominion of sin and this kind of thing, if he did it (let’s
put it very simply), if he acquitted you, then he could not come back and do, what? See,
that’s why I understand that. Who shall lay anything to the charge? Accuse, call in question
any of God’s elect. Boy, it’s really a heavy one, isn’t it? Really something. You know
where the problem comes in? In lack of renewed mind, growth that we walk in the same
field, that’s where it comes in. Sometimes this is due to the fact that one person is a new
babe in Christ and someone is much more mature, older in Christ and the walk. Other
times, both have had an equal amount in the Word of God but the one chooses not to really
walk on it. That’s where the problem comes in. We all know that if a person is born again
of God’s spirit he is our sister or brother, right? But suppose they don’t want to walk with
you or you don’t want to walk with them, they are still sisters and, what? {Brothers.} From
an acquittal point of view that God in Christ accomplished. Okay, [verse] 34, the question:
Romans 8:34:
Who is he that condemneth?...
Christ died. “Shall Christ that died,” I have in my text here is the answer. It’s the same
essence of God who justified in verse 33. Christ died for this justification and redemption,
then is he going to condemn us? The how in verse 34 is:
Romans 8:34 (continued):
...yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also
maketh intercession for us.
That’s the how. You can never over emphasize in your head, in your life, the frailty of
man including yourself; start with yourself, your own proneness to cop out to blow it to
mess up. And this is why you’ve constantly got to remember that Jesus Christ at the right
hand of God maketh intercession for us.
35 is the question:
Romans 8:35:
Who [or what] shall separate us from the love of Christ?
Now this love of Christ deals with what God wrought in Christ so there’s no
condemnation that we’re justified, glorified called, remember all of that? God before us,
see, then who shall separate us from, or out of this love where with God in Christ loved us.
Or what’s going to separate us? Spiritually nothing is going to separate us, because it’s a
birth. But in the walk (in the walk), there is always a tendency that you can be separated
from it, not in spirit, understand? But in walk. Tribulation does separate some people, right?
But it’s unnecessary. Distress, another question, shall that separate?
Romans 8:35b, 36:
...persecution, famine, nakedness, peril or sword.
As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep
for the slaughter.
The answer is in verse 37:
Romans 8:37:
Nay, [no,] in all [of] these things we are more [we are super conquerors – I gave
you last week] through him [who] loved us.
Now, “through him who loved us,” is God and Christ, okay? God by means of Christ,
understand? Who loved us.
Then the how is verse 38:
Romans 8:38:
...I am persuaded, [and that word “persuaded” has to mean in the mind, totally,
absolutely, unequivocally (if that’s the word), convinced, beyond a shadow of a
doubt, that’s persuaded.] that neither death, [starts out with the greatest
terminating factor in life, death itself,] nor life, [now, meaning things that happen
to you in life, understand?] nor angels, [spirits,]...
I think these are devil spirits, kids. The reason I believe this is because the word here
in 38 and 39, “shall be able to separate us from the love of God,” see? “In all of these
things we’re more than conquerors,” remember it? Alright. How? By being persuaded.
Then at those places where we’re not persuaded, the enemy will infiltrate and he will
separate us from that abundance of life which is available in Christ Jesus to us, got it?
These are spirits, principalities. It’s like Ephesians 6, isn’t it? “We wrestle not against,”
what? {Flesh and blood.} Right. “But against principalities, against powers,...against
spiritual wickedness from on high,” that’s what you got here.
Romans 8:38 continued:
...nor principalities, nor powers...
What’s the Greek for “powers” there Walter in verse 38?
[Walter:] Dunamis.
These are spiritual powers that possess people’s minds and work them from the inside
out, the dunamis. Nothing in the present or nothing in the future of any spirits or
principalities or powers, no matter what height or depth they come from, no matter who
they are, how big, from where or what.
Romans 8:39:
...nor any other creature...
I wonder if that word someday could not be translated “person”. We wrestle not
against, what? {Flesh and blood.} Alright, therefore to get me to cop out, it will have to be
a spiritual trip, right? There are only two categories this can work in: either by direct
possession or through an individual. You don’t see an old devil spirit flitting around here.
But a devil spirit could influence my thinking or influence the environment that the
environment would influence my thinking. Remember, Walter teaches this in Dealing with
the Adversary. Where one cue ball hits something else and then everybody else hits
everybody else, see? “Neither height, nor depth, nor any other creature.” Now, you know
that couldn’t be a dog or a cat, any other creature, couldn’t be an amoeba. That’s why
context wise, I believe it must be person, any other people, nobody else. Because I’m sure
old Betsy the cow is not going to cause me to cop out unless she steps on my toe and then I
kick her in the rear or something if that’s copping out, but I don’t think that’s it, see? I’m
persuaded that nothing shall be able to separate us from the love of God, see? The love of
God which is where? Christ Jesus our Lord and Christ made this love available. Therefore,
the only place that we can possibly have any failure is in not being persuaded. Now, a man
could say he’s persuaded but if he isn’t producing it, you know, the positive results.
Romans 8:37:
Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors...
If we’re not more than conquerors, than we’re not what? Persuaded. To be persuaded
is to be convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt. Now, that will fit with all the rest of the
Word, you know, nothing impossible to him that does, what? Believeth, see all of that, put
it together. Did I miss a “how” someplace between in verse 33? What’s the how? The how
of 33 must be the how of 34, that’s right, tying it together with God and Jesus Christ.
That’s good, same how on question 33 and question 34. Now isn’t this interesting how you
have question, answer and then how. Now, just look at what you can do with that in a
teaching sometime. You can build Ephesians 6, you can build Colossians 2:10, what’s that
again. You can use that you can find other in the scriptures and you can tie four, five or six,
seven other verses in to this. And that’s how this great section closes.
It is interesting how he begins in the closing out of this about talking about laying
anything to the charge of God’s elect or condemnation. See, that’s where it starts. If you’re
not fully persuaded then there will be things come up in your life you’ll be condemned
about and you’ll condemn yourself. If you’re not fully persuaded then tribulation comes
along. And when I think of tribulation I think of the gospels, you know, where they copped
out because of the cares of this world or something. Or if you’re not fully persuaded a little
distress gets a little tough out on that field and you say shoot, what’s the use of it. See? Or
a little bit of persecution. Somebody will write a nasty article about you. You’re out there
and they’ll say you’re a big counterfeit, see? Yeah. Famine, nakedness, peril, sword; then
he turns around and says: Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors. In all of
those things we’re more than conquerors and then he gives you the great wrap up in 38 and
following: that we’re conquerors directly over spirits. Spirits cause the background of
tribulation, distress, persecution, famine, nakedness, peril and sword; like, you know, cue
balls and the rest of them caused through other things in our environment, but even direct
spirit attacks. And wraps it all up in verse 39, he says: nor height, nor depth nor any other
person. It doesn’t make a difference who, what, if it’s a devil spirit, direct attack, or if the
devil spirits possess someone, or if it comes through indirect means. It doesn’t make any
difference if you’re persuaded. And persuasion is of believing. It’s a head trip, a convinced
knowledgeable trip in your head that you have made a personal decision because of the
accuracy in God’s Word in Christ Jesus.
Remember what it said? What the law of sin and death could not do, God did. This
law of sin and death, you and I are still not freed from its presence or its influence. But we
are freed now from its condemnation, got it? We are not yet freed from the presence and
influence of the law of sin and death, but we are freed from its condemnation now. And our
freedom from the dominion and condemnation of sin, this law of sin and death; our
freedom from the dominion and condemnation does not imply sinless perfection in the
senses realm, in the flesh. We live in the power of the resurrection, and we live with the
power of the resurrection but not yet in its actuality. We live in the power of the
resurrection; everything this resurrection accomplished for us, we live in the power of it
but not in its actuality because we are still surrounded with, what? Law of sin and death,
spirits, people that are pushed into places by spirits, this kind of thing. But kids, even
though we are not freed from the presence or the influence of sin and the law of sin and
death, man, just to have no condemnation now, is simply fantastic. This does not court
sinfulness, it just makes a plain statement of truth. That’s why the ninth, the tenth, and the
eleventh chapter of Romans now, immediately follow upon this great conclusion of chapter
If the ninth, tenth, and eleventh chapter of Romans were at any other place in the Bible,
there wouldn’t be any man that would know what to do with them. They would be totally
out of order. Because now, in the ninth, tenth, and eleventh, he’s going to go back to Israel
and back to the Gentiles. And handle Israel as Israel, and Gentiles as Gentiles, and show
how God is in all history. And it’s all built up, all put together here in the first eight
chapters of Romans. Now, he can handle Israel, now he can handle Gentiles, in the ninth,
tenth, and eleventh chapter. And in the twelfth chapter he can begin with what he does:
Beseech you brethren by the meekness of God that you present your bodies a living
sacrifice and so forth. That’s why this ninth, tenth, and eleventh chapter just sit in there,
like how a yolk floats inside of an egg, how the eyeball floats inside of the eye or
something. Like jelly inside of it. Or maybe it’s like seven different flavors [of] Jello, it
just bounces around in there. Nine, ten and eleven, we’ll begin with verse 1.
Romans 9:1:
I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness...
And remember, conscience is nothing but habit pattern, formed by your believing or
by teaching which equals believing. The least common denominator believing, you believe
what you have been taught, right?
Romans 9:1 (continued):
...bearing me witness with [pneuma hagion.]
You see, his witness was with holy spirit – pneuma hagion. Operations of
manifestations, the proof, but also in a larger sense here in Romans, the revelation. Word of
knowledge and word of wisdom, whereby God gave him the word, the truth, that which
was to be written. And I think I told you once where it says the spirit shall lead us into all
truth. The all truth is the revelation; you know, that’s given to Paul and John which is in the
Word. It’s all here, that’s the all truth. The only variation of that would be a specific within
the total framework. Like, God’s will to heal but you need revelation regarding a particular
need of that individual. That’s the only way spirit could lead beyond the Word or in
alignment and harmony with the Word but beyond the specific revelation. The all truth is
the Word of God after the day of Pentecost when the revelation was made to Paul and some
of the other men of God who wrote the Word.
Romans 9:2:
...I have great heaviness and continual [burden or] sorrow...
You know, he really felt bad about Israel, why? Same as let’s say you got a brother or
sister or father or mother or somebody close to you, and they just will not hear God’s Word,
you feel badly. That’s the sorrow. Verse 3, from the word “for” until after the word “Christ”
[For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ...] is a parenthesis.
Romans 9:2b, 3:
...continual sorrow in my heart...
for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
Who are, what? Israelites. You with me in the Word? Now, you know verse 3, I think
it’s Bullinger or somebody translates it, and I think it’s right, “for I used to wish”. Now,
Walter this got something to do with the tenses that are used here, perfect, imperfect or
something? Does Bullinger say anything in his Bible? What does he say? Oh, he puts it in
a figure of speech. Read me the figure. Oh, what a minute read me the word, what’s the
figure? I know what it is, I can’t think of it. “Recollection” is the word. What do you think
we ought to do with it, Walter? There’s a lot of difference between saying “for I could wish
that myself were accursed from Christ” or “I used to wish.” You know, that you used to
wish does not mean that you still wouldn’t have the desire at the present time, would it? I
used to love Walter Cummins, would not mean that I no longer, do not love him. You know,
he couldn’t have done first part of verse 3 before he became a Christian, right? Okay, now
when he became a Christian, then he felt this way toward his brethren Israelites. “For I
used to wish that myself were accursed” – I personally would have been glad to have been
separated from Christ if Israel would have believed the Word, is what I think he’s saying.
And I think he was saying that or writing this by revelation, same as I feel we do the same
thing, if you knew that let’s say the whole community of Cincinnati would come to the
Lord, I think I would be glad to lay down my life. I would be glad for that. I think this is
what he’s saying. Called it a recollection, a figure of recollection he calls that? I don’t
know if you need a figure there, Donna? Look it up in Bullinger and let’s see what it means.
What is that? (Better be remembering it when I get – June.) I did?What does that figure
[Donna:] It’s one of the kinds of parenthesis.
Different kind of parenthesis used in the Bible. That’s one of them. You know that
chapter 8 a little while ago, where was I? Yeah, that 28 of 8, you know, it’s interesting. I
was going to give it to you but forgot it.
Romans 8:28:
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to
them who are the called according to his purpose.
One translation reads: And we know God himself cooperates with those who love God.
I think that’s sort of good. If you love God naturally he’d cooperate. I mean He’s God. And
we know God Himself cooperates with those who love God. And in 34 of 8 there, who will
be the accuser of God’s chosen ones? Will it be God himself? No, He it is who pronounced
acquittal. Who will be the judge to condemn? Will it be Christ, he who died and more than
that, the right hand? No, it is he who pleads our cause. Makes intercession for us, pleads
our cause. I don’t think that’s as strong as the one we know God himself cooperates, with
those who love God. Yes dear? I don’t know, it’s just one of the varied readings. I guess I
could find out, but I don’t know. Okay back to chapter 9.
Romans 9:4-6:
Who are Israelites; to whom...the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and
the giving of the law,...the service of God, and the promises;
Whose...the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came [that’s
alright, Christ the Messiah came], who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen.
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel,
which are of Israel:
One of the texts reads there “all children of God” for they are not all children of God
who are of Israel. You see, in verse 6: Not as though the word of God hath taken none
effect – the Word of God was still in effect but people by their believing, nullified it. They
nullified the effectuality of that word do you understand? This is a great statement when
the British Israel group and all of that and this is one of the things, that you see, that I
understand the fellow on the Pasadena coast, yeah teaches British-Israelism, that all of the
believers are of Israel bloodline. I don’t know, I just know what the Word teaches here
among other things that the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the
different services to God, the promises, Christ, all of these were made to Israel. But not all
are Israel which are of Israel because bloodline does not guarantee believing. You know, I
see this covered in the New Testament, “elsewhere your children unclean but now are they
holy.” The bloodline does something for you to the point of believing and then believing
takes prerequisite. Like a child of a Christian parent is holy until it reaches that age of
accountability where itself has to accept the Lord Jesus Christ to be born again, remember?
Verse 7:
Romans 9:7, 8:
Neither, because they are [of] the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In
Isaac shall thy seed be called.
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:
but the children of the promise [the believing, you know] are counted for the
[what?] seed.
But in Isaac shall thy seed be called – in Isaac shall thy seed be called. Another
reading of that is: God’s call shall be for your descendants in the line of Isaac. I think that’s
a good rendition, God’s call shall be for your descendants in the line of Isaac. You see, the
verse 7 in King James, leaves it very difficult, “But in Isaac shall thy seed be called,”
implying grammatically that it’s not called in Abraham. But it is called in believing,
believing of Abraham, it was accounted unto him for what? {Righteousness.} Therefore,
“Isaac” can not be the first word started because it’s all in believing, right? “Isaac shall thy
seed be called” deals with in Isaac the believer, you know, the seed of Isaac, the believer,
the one who believed. We’re going to see it as we go further in here of the two twins, you
know. That’s why that translation, “God’s call shall be for your descendants in the line of
Isaac.” If you remember the story, remember who gave birth to Ishmael? Who is she the
wife of? Therefore, it’s just a restatement of these truths, understand, Old Testament? It’s
not in the children that Abraham fathered, you know, but it’s in the children that he
fathered who were believers. Yes, Tim? [CROSSTALK]
If you remember that stuff, this will all come up here in Romans. I believe that you
ought to put that translation in verse 7 when you have time in your Bible, I think it will
help you as you get involved, where people will ask you to explain the verse. Well, it
seems to me to become very simple if we read “God’s call shall be for your descendants in
the line of Isaac.” What do you think of that Walter? We know it’s true from the Old
Testament, right? It didn’t come down through Ishmael. It came down through Isaac. Okay?
Romans 9:8:
That is, they which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:
but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
For this is the word of promise. The children of promise, the children of believing,
understand? He really didn’t have to believe for Ishmael, all he had to do was have
intercourse. But God said he would give him a seed of Sarah, right? Sarah didn’t have any,
so he had to do, what? Believe, believe, believe, believe, believe! Sarah shall have a son.
[Verse] 10:
Romans 9:10, 12:
And not only...; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, our father
It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
The greater shall serve the lesser is in the center margin of some of your Bibles, you
see it? What was it I discussed with someone or other about these twins? [INAUDIBLE
RESPONSES] In other as far as conception was concerned, I taught there’s a possibility
that Jacob was a full fledged nine month baby, while Esau was an eight or seven months
baby. And yet, Esau was born first, but he was the younger of the two, wasn’t he? I don’t
know how that fits with verse 12, do you? [INAUDIBLE RESPONSES] I don’t know.
Verse 13.
Romans 9:13:
As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
Jacob, God loved because he believed. Esau, he couldn’t love because he did not, what?
[Students:] Believe.
Romans 9:14:
What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God?...
Boy, they’ll say the same thing to you; they will say how come so and so, and so and
so. You see, if you understand believing, I don’t think you have a problem with it. But if
you don’t understand believing, then you have to go the Calvinist way where he picks up
one and sends it to hell and picks up another and sends it to heaven.
Romans 9:14b-16:
...God forbid.
[Verse 15] For He saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have [what?]
mercy [because of their, what? believing], and I will have compassion on whom I
will have compassion [because of their believing or non-believing].
So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God who
sheweth [what?] mercy [verse 16].
Thus it does not depend on man’s will or effort, but on God’s mercy. Man’s will or
man’s effort. Man’s believing? Yes.
Romans 9:17:
For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee
up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared
throughout all the earth.
“I have raised thee up” is with the same permissive will that every child comes.
Permissive will of God.
Romans 9:18:
Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will..., and whom he will he hardeneth.
Because of their, what?
[Students:] Believing.
See, it’s the only way it will fit, kids. And this believing fits all the way through the
Word, that’s why I know we’re right.
Romans 9:19:
Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his
You will say then why does God blame a man? For who can resist His will? God does
not technically blame the man. In practice, yes, because a man’s, what? Because they have
resisted His Word and having resisted His Word, they resisted His will. But not the will to
deal justly. And then he says in verse 20:
Romans 9:20:
...O man, who art thou that repliest [or answereth or want to have a good dispute
with]...God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed..., Why hast thou
made me thus?
And that’s exactly what they are saying many times. Verse 21, is a beautiful
Romans 9:21 (KJV):
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto
honor, and another unto [less honor]?
A nice translation in here:
Romans 9:21 (New English Bible):
Is he not free to make out of the same lump two vessels, one to be treasured, the
other for common use?
I want to tell you a little of what I know about this stuff. There is a lot in genetics that
we have never unearthed that will be of great interest. I first got onto this years and years
ago when I saw possession in lines or family lines. You know, like the seventh child born
with a veil over his face, this kind of stuff. I’ve traced all of that. It’s like, I guess,
genetically your mother had twins, you most likely wont have any but it will show up in
the next generation. I’ve seen this carried through in this devil spirit world of people where
we live. Here was a person who was so totally possessed, then the children were
mediocrely (is that a good word?) possessed but the next generation again had it heavy.
You trace that in [the] Old Testament, honey, like from Nimrod, then the next generation,
then the next one, see it there. When I’ve also seen believing like this. Remember I told
you once, that what you are is what your grandma was or grandpa? If I were to look back,
I’d go back to that generation. There I’m skipping your dad and mom and moving into you,
right? Going back to that third trip again, but I don’t know how much of it is genetically
built or how much is environmentally built. I think both have great factors involved. There
is a potential genetically for weaknesses to devil spirits as they’re passed along. But on the
other hand, there is genetically a strong point also for believers as it’s passed along. Verse
Romans 9:22:
What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured
with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
You see, he is still using the illustration of 21 and relating it to Israel as believers or
non-believers so that verse 23 he might make known the riches of his glory. And you’ve
got to remember the riches of his glory when you get to Ephesians, remember? Because
here it really sets what the riches of the glory is to the believers:
Romans 9:23:
...on the vessels of mercy [or grace], which he hath afore prepared unto glory,
Because he knew they would do, what? Believe, see it?
Romans 9:24:
Even us, whom he hath called, [now look at this:] not of...Jews only, but also
Now it’s the first time they’re mentioned. Because in verse 4, he talks about kinsmen
Israel, right? Now, he goes to Gentiles, and you’ll see this whole believing principle
wrapped up.
Romans 9:25-27:
As he saith also in [Hosea], I will call them my people, which were not my people;
and her beloved, which was not beloved.
And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are
not my people; there shall they be called the children of [what?] the living God.
[Isaiah] also crieth concerning Israel,...
Here we’ve dropped from Jews and Gentiles. Not of the Judeans but also the Gentiles,
back to Israel. I do not know why he hit the Judeans in 24 and the Gentiles and goes back
to Israel in 27.
Romans 9:27b:
...Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, [only a
what?] remnant shall be saved:
Why? Believing, see? He promised Abraham, and stuff, that their seed would be like
sands of, what? But only a remnant, only those who believed were the true seed. So seed is
used regarding physical birth; it’s used regarding believing.
Romans 9:28:
For he will finish the work,...cut it short in righteousness: because a short work
will the Lord make upon the earth.
Romans 9:28 (New English):
For the Lord’s sentence on the land will be summary and final’; as also he said
Yeah, though the Israelites be countless as the sand it is but a remnant that shall be
saved. For the Lord’s sentence on the land will be summary and final – that’s good.
Romans 9:29-32:
And as Isaiah said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed
[believing], we had been as Sodom, and been made like unto Gomorrha.
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness,
have attained to righteousness,...the righteousness which is of believing.
But Israel, which followed after the law of [what?] righteousness, hath not
attained to the law of righteousness.
Wherefore? Because...not by [what?]…
See it set?
Romans 9:32 (continued):
...but as it were by the works of the law. [Here it is:] For they stumbled at that
And that stumbling stone is Christ Jesus. They did not see his day, they did not see the
promises, understand? They saw the law all right, but they didn’t believe.
Romans 9:33:
As it is written, Behold, I lay in Zion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and
whosoever believeth on him shall not be [what?] ashamed.
Isn’t that good? That translation in the Amplified is what? Do you got it written in
there, all of you? I think Dotsy gave that once in some women’s trip when I first put it
down. We had worked it out, I think it’s Amplified [that] has that. Whosoever believeth
shall not be “disappointed in his expectation” [Amplified].
Romans 10:1:
Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be
[what?] saved.
And literally that means that they might believe. That’s the only way they’re going to
get saved.
Romans 10:2:
For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God,...
They were religious but not according to, what? The accuracy of the Word which
would have required what? See it?
Romans 10:3a:
For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness,...
Ignorant because they didn’t accept it. They knew it; it was written in the law. They
knew that; they weren’t stupid to that. But they were ignorant because they didn’t believe.
Romans 10:3:
For they being ignorant [is lack of believing] of God’s righteousness, and going
about to establish their own [what?] righteousness, have not submitted themselves
unto the righteousness of [who?] God.
See that? And the righteousness of God is in Christ Jesus by believing. Now he’s
beginning to pick up in here, you know. God in history, I told you, for Israel, for the
Gentiles, and we’re still doing the same things. You’ll see justification, righteousness, all
of this, that we covered in the first eight chapters. And there that great fourth verse.
Romans 10:4 (KJV):
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that [what?]
Yeah and he has to go back here to the end of the Law, because Israel had these oracles,
we had this earlier. You know, covenants, all of that, I forget what verse. Right, way back
there, 4 and 5, and then the law of righteousness in verse 31 or 30 or wherever it was. Now,
Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that does one thing what? Here’s
another translation of that: Christ is the end of the law, as the way to righteousness, for
everyone who has believing. Put that one down.
Romans 10:4 (not KJV):
Christ is the end of the law, the way of righteousness, for everyone who has
(Donna remind me what I said tomorrow.) Verse 5: For Moses describes – by the way
if you have trouble with “eth” then put an “S” there. People will never know it and it’s still
accurate in your usage of it.
Romans 10:5-8:
For Moses [describes] the righteousness which is of the law, That the man [who]
doeth those things shall live by them.
But the righteousness which is [out of believing] speaketh on this wise, Say not in
thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down...:)
Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, thy mouth,...[even] in thy heart: that
is, the word of [believing,] which we preach;
And here it is, “that,” here’s the word of believing; the word of believing.
Romans 10:9-11:
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,...shalt believe in thine
heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be [what?] saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth
confession is made unto salvation.
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed,
[disappointed in his expectation again.]
Now people, if those words were at any other place, you couldn’t put the Word
together. See what he’s done in the first eight chapters? Then what he’s done in nine and
ten for Jew and Gentile, Israel? I know why he used Jew there because Judean by religion
including Israel, I know this now. You see why he puts Israel and Gentiles together and
then all at once when he has all of this set, God puts the word in there. Develop believing
all the way through, now he handles the new birth. If thou shalt confess with, thou shalt be,
what? And verse 11 simply put it into a vice, you know a vice with two jaws. God’s
screwing you tight in between. See? The word of believing of verse 8 and believing of
verse 11 are those two, what do you call them jaws in a vice? I think they are called jaws,
aren’t they Wierwille? See? The two jaws and in between those two believing, he sets:
confess with your mouth, heart, man believeth, and with the mouth confession is made
unto salvation. And then we shall not be disappointed in our expectation. Which ties right
up “for I am persuaded” of 8. See, how all of this stuff builds and ties? Now, we’re ready
for verse 12:
Romans 10:12:
For there is no difference between the [Judean by religion] and the Greek: for the
same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
How? By believing.
Romans 10:13:
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Must be related back to verse 11, which in turn must be related back to verse 8.
Shall come to pass, whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
(Really great, in Acts 2.)
Romans 10:14, 15a:
How then [how then] shall they call on him [You see the call is related to
believing.] in whom they have not [what?] believed? shall they believe in
him of whom they have not heard? shall they hear without a preacher?
And how shall they preach except they be [what?] sent...
Now a man could preach, and you can call him reverend so and so, preacher man so
and so. But the truth of a man of God, the preaching has to be within the context of this
chapter. Now, class if that’s true there are very few preachers that are sent. A lot of
preachers may be ordained and all the rest of them but very few that are sent. And I
imagine that word sent is apostles or something. See?
Romans 10:15:
And how shall they preach, except they be [what?] sent? as it is written, How
beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of [what?] peace,...
And do you know why it’s the gospel of peace? Because he is the prince of peace, he
lives within you. Then you have what? Peace, new birth.
Romans 10:15 (continued):
...and bring glad tidings of good things!
Glad tidings, gospel, good news, of good things, good things, what? Justification,
redemption, sanctification, all those wonderful, wonderful truths; that’s a preacher.
Romans 10:16:
But they have not all obeyed the gospel. [To obey, again, is to believe.] For [Isaiah]
saith, Lord, who hath believed our report [our preaching]?
So then, where do you go with this, Walter? I think we have to go with that faith of
Jesus Christ in 17. Because, we’re still relating to “calling upon the name of the Lord, shall
be saved.” That’s the whole trip, believe to be saved.
Romans 10:18-21:
But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and
their words unto the ends of the world.
But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy
by them that are no people, a foolish nation I will anger you [you know,
But Isaiah is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was
made manifest unto them that asked not after me. [Gentiles.]
But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a
disobedient and [a lousy bunch of birds] gainsaying people.
Isn’t that something? Sometimes those who have the most appreciate it the least and
they lose the benefit because somebody else who does not have nearly that potential steps
in. I’ve seen this happen many times in our ministry. People with great potential to be
leaders then cop out. Somebody else with a lot less potential just faithfully keeps running
away and gets the job accomplished, just like Israel.
Romans 11:1-5:
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? [Oh no.] For I also am an Israelite, of
the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
God hath not cast away his people which he [what?] foreknew. [There you are
again back to that believing – God knew.] Know ye not what the scripture saith of
[Elijah]? How he maketh intercession to God against Israel [talk to God about
Israel] saying,
Lord, they have killed thy prophets, [dug] down thine altars [you know, tore them
up]; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have [spared] reserved to myself
seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to...Baal.
Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election
of grace.
And the election of grace is believing, and when they believe they get that Romans
10:9, 10 not to be ashamed in our expectation.
Romans 11:6, 7:
And if by grace, then is it no more of [what?] works: otherwise grace is no more
grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more
What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for [by the law];...
Israel didn’t get it by the law, remember what we read about there then a little while
Romans 11:7b:
But the election [Israel by believing] hath obtained it, and the rest were [hardened]
blinded [couldn’t see.]
Because they refused to do one thing, believe. Therefore it say:
Romans 11:8:
(According as it is written, God hath given them [permitted them]...spirit of
[stupor] slumber,...
You see, when people quite believing the truth of God’s Word then devil spirits are
free to do, what? Takeover and they just rack and ruin.
Romans 11:8 (continued):
Eyes that they should not [what?] see,...ears...they [can’t what?] hear;) [even] unto
this day.
Now, you say well you could take a devil spirit out? Yes you could, but do you have
revelation to do it? That’s the key. You don’t have the revelation to do it, you don’t do what?
That’s right, you leave them in there. That’s why people today can’t see, eyes to see and
ears can’t hear. Take the clarity of one God. Why can’t they see? Why can’t they hear?
Devil spirits control. Maybe it isn’t possession, but it’s sure one ball hitting another one.
Romans 11:9:
And David saith, Let their [food] be made a snare, and a trap, and a
stumblingblock, and a recompence...:
What are they eating on? Unbelief. Unbelief then generates devil operation.
Romans 11:10, 11:
Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through
their fall [because they refused to believe] salvation is come [to whom?] unto the Gentiles
[right], for to provoke them [Israel] to [what?] jealousy.
Now through the fall of their lack of believing it came open to the Gentiles and if
that’s true, then we are not Israel bloodline, unless Gentiles are Israel bloodline. Then I got
problems. For to provoke them to jealousy:
Romans 11:12, 13:
Now if the fall [due to lack of believing, unbelief] of them [Israel], be [to] the
riches of the world [that the Gentiles got it], and the diminishing [or loss] of them
the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their [the what?] fullness [of the
remnant of Israel when they believe]?
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the sent one to the Gentiles, am an
apostle of the Gentiles,...
Why is he an apostle to the Gentiles? Because they do one thing. What? {Believe.}
Israel refused to believe, so here were other believers. You got the same thing. Let me put
it to you in color, black and white for instance. If you got a black person over here that
believes in a white person that wouldn’t believe, what would you do? Why sure. All right,
I’ll put Israel and the Gentiles like that you got the same thing. That’s why he went to the
Gentiles. Because they believed.
Romans 11:13 (continued):
...I magnify mine office:
He magnifies his responsibility, his office, his calling as an apostle. One sent, a
Romans 11:14:
If by any means I may provoke to flesh, and might save some of
In other words, he lifts up his ministry, that if there’s any Israel people out there,
according to the flesh who want to believe God’s Word, they too can, what? Stand, might
save some of them.
Romans 11:15-22:
For if the casting away [of Israel because of their unbelief] be the reconciling of
the world, [Gentiles] what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
For if the first fruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are
the branches.
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert
grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the
olive tree;
Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the
root [that what?] thee.
Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
Well; because of [what? There it is again.] unbelief they were broken off, and thou
standest by [believing]. Be not highminded, but [have reverence, respect:]
For if God spared not the natural branches [Israel], take heed lest he also spare not
thee [Gentiles].
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them [Israel] which fell,
severity; but toward thee [Gentiles], goodness, if thou continue in his goodness:
otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
And the goodness of God to the believer is Romans 10:9, 10: salvation.
Romans 11:23-25:
And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be [what?] grafted in: for
God is able to graft them in again.
For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted
contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the
natural..., be grafted into their own olive tree?
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this [what? There it is:]
mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is
happened to Israel, because of the lack of their [what?] believing, until the
fullness of the Gentiles be [what?] come in.
And that’s the gathering together.
Romans 11:26-28:
And so all Israel [without any distinction] shall be saved: as it is written, There
shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from [what?]
For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes:...
It blessed the Gentiles because they no longer had to become proselytes, they could
come directly, you understand? The covenants were originally given to who? {Israel.}
Romans 11:28 (continued):
...but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father’s sakes.
Because God knows that of their believing and what they will ultimately do when they
hear it again. Why?
Romans 11:29:
For the gifts and [the] calling of God are without repentance.
God does not repent Himself, that He did something: The gifts and the calling of God
are without repentance. God honors that believing, He absolutely honors that believing.
And the gifts and the calling are without repentance, you know, you got to get it when you
Romans 11:30:
For as ye in times past have not [obeyed God] believed God, yet have now
obtained mercy through their unbelief:
Grace and mercy directly, the Gentiles.
Romans 11:31-33:
Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may
obtain mercy [may obtain mercy also].
For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and [the] knowledge of [who?] God!
How unsearchable [incomprehensible] are his judgments, and his ways
[untraceable or untrackable]!
Isn’t that thirty-third a great conclusion? Of these three great chapters?
Romans 11:34-36:
For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
...of him, and through him, and to him,...all things: to whom be glory forever [and
ever]. Amen.
That’s it. Now, the rest of things in the book of Romans now, are just putting the icing
on top of the cake, that’s all. He’s laid the layers all down. In the first great eight chapters
he handled sin and sins, the whole trip. Then now he handles how God is working and will
work in the future in history with both Israel and the Gentiles. Now chapter 12 then begins:
Romans 12:1:
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God,...present [yourselves]...
That’s where we’ll go tomorrow night maybe.